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Post by destroyed by naivety on Oct 5, 2004 16:57:59 GMT -5
I don't like Cibo Matto. I never claimed to like them They were on BtVS once, doesn't mean they're a band that I like. And if you like Michelle, that's all well and good. I don't think her singing is that good. It's what I'd call weak. But if you like it, yeah. Being a front-man means being a leader. He needs to give up his second-in-command-attitude and air and lead his band. That's what a front man does. I think that's part of being a lead singer. It's called lead for more than the obvious reasons. Being passionate is part of it, but not all of it. I don't think he's a good singer. To me, being a good singer means hitting the right notes. From what I have heard, John doesn't do that half the time. I mean, he plays guitar and piano... he should know what being on key sounds like. So he has no excuse. Like I said, emotion in his voice shouldn't throw him that much... And he doesn't run around on stage, as you said... so what's his excuse? Oh, and for the record... I said "A Slow Descent" is probably one of SLR's only decent songs. I don't believe I said anything really against that song... I don't like him or his band. You're not going to change my mind no matter how much you insult me or my taste in music. We should just agree to disagree and be done with it. i'm sorry, i was told that you said you liked them some. and we already know we have different tastes in girl singers (well, except for ashley and amy). i like eisly. could that say anything worse about my taste in girl's voices? i don't get that attitude from what i've seen. he seems very happy to be front. i really don't hear the note missing you do. i know he does it sometimes, but i still think that he hits notes at least 3/4 of the time. i like the way he sings, but then again i like the way brett sings, and he isn't always perfect live, either. live isn't supposed to be perfect. i don't want to go to a show and hear the cd. i want to hear the band. you already know his 'excuse' he's still new to being front and singing all night. its a big change from being back-up, especially when you are back-up to adam and people can't help but focus on him, to having all eyes on john. i don't think he's perfect, i just don't think you are really giving him a fair chance, especially since you watched 3 videos and 2 of them were michelle singing lead. you always compare him to chester, but chester has been front-man/vocal powerhouse since he was at least 16. that's a lot of time to perfect himself and be used to being on stage with all eyes burning into you. that's why i don't think your comparison has been a good one. you keep saying he needs time, but then you turn around and compare his vocals to someone who has already been through that time. emotion is hard to control, chester can do that because he's taught himself to. john is still struggling with that. it's like comparing someone who can ride a bike to someone in the x-games doing tricks on their bike. I don't like the off-key singing and the cracking voice. I could attribute that to the fact that these were live videos I watchedthis is what i took as you saying something about a slow descent. i'm not trying to insult you or your taste in music. that was never my intention. if i didn't enjoy going round with you i would stop replying. |
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 5, 2004 23:38:20 GMT -5
i'm sorry, i was told that you said you liked them some. and we already know we have different tastes in girl singers (well, except for ashley and amy). i like eisly. could that say anything worse about my taste in girl's voices? i don't get that attitude from what i've seen. he seems very happy to be front. i really don't hear the note missing you do. i know he does it sometimes, but i still think that he hits notes at least 3/4 of the time. i like the way he sings, but then again i like the way brett sings, and he isn't always perfect live, either. live isn't supposed to be perfect. i don't want to go to a show and hear the cd. i want to hear the band. you already know his 'excuse' he's still new to being front and singing all night. its a big change from being back-up, especially when you are back-up to adam and people can't help but focus on him, to having all eyes on john. i don't think he's perfect, i just don't think you are really giving him a fair chance, especially since you watched 3 videos and 2 of them were michelle singing lead. you always compare him to chester, but chester has been front-man/vocal powerhouse since he was at least 16. that's a lot of time to perfect himself and be used to being on stage with all eyes burning into you. that's why i don't think your comparison has been a good one. you keep saying he needs time, but then you turn around and compare his vocals to someone who has already been through that time. emotion is hard to control, chester can do that because he's taught himself to. john is still struggling with that. it's like comparing someone who can ride a bike to someone in the x-games doing tricks on their bike. I don't like the off-key singing and the cracking voice. I could attribute that to the fact that these were live videos I watchedthis is what i took as you saying something about a slow descent. i'm not trying to insult you or your taste in music. that was never my intention. if i didn't enjoy going round with you i would stop replying. Your taste in girl singers is odd to me. You told me once that you only liked girl singers that have some power behind their voices, ala Amy Lee. Michelle doesn't fit that at all. I remember back when you first started listening to SLR, you didn't care for her voice at all. So, I guess that is proof enough that anyone can change tastes. Unless they're a stubborn asshole like myself. Adam's good, but he's not all the great. John could've easily overpowered him if he wanted to. Not that it would've been all that great... but still, he could have done it had he tried, I'm sure of it. I mean, in Cute Without the E, he was almost there. I can tell John wants to be in charge... he just doesn't have the balls or whatever to do it... yet. He'll get there eventually, I'm sure. Especially if SLR can gain fans other than the ones he and Shaun brought over from TBS. John has been singing for awhile. It's not like Taking Back Sunday was formed in two days. I'm sure he's been playing that guitar and been in garage band type ensembles since he was a kid. He may not be used to the stage lights and shit, but he's used to the music. Well... wait a second... he's played how many live shows? Quite a few, I'd think. He should be used to being in the spotlight by now. Sure, he's allowed to have a bad show every now and then... aren't all bands? Of course. He needs time to grow into being that powerhouse frontman. As that happens, his vocals are sure to change. But, as I said, shouldn't he be used to being up on stage by now? He was in TBS before... and they did a fair amount of live shows before all the crap hit the fan, right? Mreh... I was in a bad mood when I wrote the post earlier today. I had to get up early and then I came home to being poked fun at... not much fun there. Sorry about the Joan-Collins 'tude...  |
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Post by destroyed by naivety on Oct 6, 2004 1:34:37 GMT -5
Your taste in girl singers is odd to me. You told me once that you only liked girl singers that have some power behind their voices, ala Amy Lee. Michelle doesn't fit that at all. I remember back when you first started listening to SLR, you didn't care for her voice at all. So, I guess that is proof enough that anyone can change tastes. Unless they're a stubborn asshole like myself. Adam's good, but he's not all the great. John could've easily overpowered him if he wanted to. Not that it would've been all that great... but still, he could have done it had he tried, I'm sure of it. I mean, in Cute Without the E, he was almost there. I can tell John wants to be in charge... he just doesn't have the balls or whatever to do it... yet. He'll get there eventually, I'm sure. Especially if SLR can gain fans other than the ones he and Shaun brought over from TBS. John has been singing for awhile. It's not like Taking Back Sunday was formed in two days. I'm sure he's been playing that guitar and been in garage band type ensembles since he was a kid. He may not be used to the stage lights and shit, but he's used to the music. Well... wait a second... he's played how many live shows? Quite a few, I'd think. He should be used to being in the spotlight by now. Sure, he's allowed to have a bad show every now and then... aren't all bands? Of course. He needs time to grow into being that powerhouse frontman. As that happens, his vocals are sure to change. But, as I said, shouldn't he be used to being up on stage by now? He was in TBS before... and they did a fair amount of live shows before all the crap hit the fan, right? Yes, John has been on stage a bunch with adam. who do you think gets more attention? john or adam writhing around on stage and swinging the mic around? he doesn't have adam to hide behind. it's all him. no crazy antics to distract us. that is probably more than a little nerve-wracking. and i'm not saying john has no singing experience, but chester has more. tbs started with adam in like 99? in high school i read somewhere john was in bands with jesse (gee, who do you think was front there?). so i don't see john has having as much experience as chester. chester started recording when he was 16. john was probably just screwing around with jesse then (only a slight pun intended there). john sings in key. i don't care if you don't like his voice, but he is singing in key. he would clash horribly with his piano driven music if he weren't. yes, i thought those were the only girl singers i liked, until i went through the girl bands i like.. i realized i was wrong. i like poe, eisly, phantom planet, and a few others that don't have powerful vocals. michelle actually grew on me. i don't like her backing vocals in a few of the demos, which made me all cringy to the new stuff, but i listened to it with an open mind and found it's nice. i like her singing and her back-up(as long as it's mixed right). i change my mind about music and voices a lot. i hated Raine's voice the first few times i heard it. i hated brand new for a long time. i was not a fan of pierre or simple plan really. now i am. i like accepting a new band. |
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Post by SunriseHighway on Oct 6, 2004 5:15:28 GMT -5
um ok so im thinking that maybe we should quit with the essays and just accept that Agent J doesnt like Straylight and that Destroyed By Naivety can change her opinions if she feels like it.
Methinks we should drop the subject but for the record, i like John as a frontman i always preferred him over Adam in TBS, he comes across in a way that you would expect from the lyrics, whereas Adam seems to brash and full of himself in public for it to make sense that he can write heartfelt lyrics just aswell.
Ah im getting dragged into this topic now....ok well i just wanted to say i think John was better than Adam.
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 6, 2004 8:46:58 GMT -5
um ok so im thinking that maybe we should quit with the essays and just accept that Agent J doesnt like Straylight and that Destroyed By Naivety can change her opinions if she feels like it. Methinks we should drop the subject but for the record, i like John as a frontman i always preferred him over Adam in TBS, he comes across in a way that you would expect from the lyrics, whereas Adam seems to brash and full of himself in public for it to make sense that he can write heartfelt lyrics just aswell. Ah im getting dragged into this topic now....ok well i just wanted to say i think John was better than Adam. Writing "essays" as you put it, is how I like to back up what I'm saying. I can't talk shit without having a bit of information and such to back it up. That would just be lame. Adam acts like a front-man. He has the attitude most people expect to see in a guy/girl that's up in the spotlight. Sure, sometimes they can come off as an arrogant jerk-off, but hey, everyone has those kinds of days. But yeah, I agree, we should probably just agree to disagree and let it go. |
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 6, 2004 8:57:17 GMT -5
Yes, John has been on stage a bunch with adam. who do you think gets more attention? john or adam writhing around on stage and swinging the mic around? he doesn't have adam to hide behind. it's all him. no crazy antics to distract us. that is probably more than a little nerve-wracking. and i'm not saying john has no singing experience, but chester has more. tbs started with adam in like 99? in high school i read somewhere john was in bands with jesse (gee, who do you think was front there?). so i don't see john has having as much experience as chester. chester started recording when he was 16. john was probably just screwing around with jesse then (only a slight pun intended there). john sings in key. i don't care if you don't like his voice, but he is singing in key. he would clash horribly with his piano driven music if he weren't. yes, i thought those were the only girl singers i liked, until i went through the girl bands i like.. i realized i was wrong. i like poe, eisly, phantom planet, and a few others that don't have powerful vocals. michelle actually grew on me. i don't like her backing vocals in a few of the demos, which made me all cringy to the new stuff, but i listened to it with an open mind and found it's nice. i like her singing and her back-up(as long as it's mixed right). i change my mind about music and voices a lot. i hated Raine's voice the first few times i heard it. i hated brand new for a long time. i was not a fan of pierre or simple plan really. now i am. i like accepting a new band. John has the experience is what I'm saying. He's been making music and been up on stage. He should know what to expect from it all. Who you're in a band with doesn't change the fact that you've been up on stage, in front of the crowd, playing. It might effect your on-stage presence and actions, but not the fact that you've been there and done it. And, for the record, Chester's not much older than John. I'm sure they both knew that this is what the wanted to do with their lives... make music for a bunch of people like us. They both have been working their asses off so they don't suck. It just so happens that I think one of them really kinda sucks.  His rough voice does clash with the piano, I think. It's just not something that I enjoy. His voice isn't really fit for the the kind of band Straylight Run is. I think he's more in his element in a band like Taking Back Sunday. I will admit SLR has good lyrics, but it takes more than good lyrics to be a good band. But hey, good lyrics is a step in the right direction. If John can adapt his voice to mesh more with the type of music he's playing now, I might be more interested in his band. But eh, probably not. I don't like all the crap I've been getting over this issue. Girl singers... I don't necessarily have a type of voice that I like when it comes to them. If they can sing and not annoy the living shit out of me, and the song is pretty, I enjoy them. Michelle though... I guess her voice just hits that one pitch that really rubs me the wrong way. Like the lead singer of Coheed and Cambria... his voice makes my ears want to bleed. And yes, I know the two (Michelle and Claudio) aren't anything alike... I just needed another example of a voice that can hit one of those pitches. I change my mind about music, too. I used to loathe Taking Back Sunday. Now... not so much. I still don't really care for them... they're not one of my favorite bands... but if one of their songs comes on the radio, I probably won't change the station. Especially if it's the new stuff. I actually kinda like it, to be honest. It's the older stuff that I don't like. OH! Here's a GREAT example of how my taste in music can change: I fucking hated Linkin Park when I first heard One Step Closer. I was like "wtf, not another band with a dj. can't they be original? this song... arg... so not good. The lyrics? Oh please." and blah blah bliddy blah. But I gave them a chance and now they're my all-time favorite band. Are we ever going to agree to disagree on the topic of the Nolan siblings and Straylight Run? |
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Post by destroyed by naivety on Oct 6, 2004 16:10:58 GMT -5
Are we ever going to agree to disagree on the topic of the Nolan siblings and Straylight Run? i was pretty sure that we already had. |
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 6, 2004 16:14:58 GMT -5
i was pretty sure that we already had. It just seemed to be that since we kept going back and forth about it... it hadn't really taken effect yet.  |
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Post by destroyed by naivety on Oct 7, 2004 3:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 7, 2004 18:44:56 GMT -5
Wow. I really don't know what to think about Shaun now. He really went off on that kid... about money, of all things. |
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Post by destroyed by naivety on Oct 7, 2004 21:13:06 GMT -5
the kid was an ass.
*shrug* i think he deserved it. especially since straylight run wasn't even the headliner of the show. ' oh god, i refuse to go because tickets are 15 bucks, when they should only be 8.'
if i were a band member i would be all 'ouch. we're only worth 8 bucks?...to a fan?'
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 8, 2004 7:47:15 GMT -5
the kid was an ass. *shrug* i think he deserved it. especially since straylight run wasn't even the headliner of the show. ' oh god, i refuse to go because tickets are 15 bucks, when they should only be 8.' if i were a band member i would be all 'ouch. we're only worth 8 bucks?...to a fan?' Some people are asses... $15 is nothing to pay for a ticket in my opinion... but the way Shaun went off was nuts. Sure, he had a right to be pissed off... but damn, he could've been not assholeish. John approached it much better. He seems to be a down to earth guy. It's too bad I can't stand to hear him sing. |
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Post by destroyed by naivety on Oct 8, 2004 15:51:48 GMT -5
Some people are asses... $15 is nothing to pay for a ticket in my opinion... but the way Shaun went off was nuts. Sure, he had a right to be pissed off... but damn, he could've been not assholeish. John approached it much better. He seems to be a down to earth guy. It's too bad I can't stand to hear him sing. shaun went off about something else to someone else, too. he appears to be a little high strung. lol. john did come across really well. he's posting now on the board and is adorable. people didn't believe it was him, so he was trying to prove it. |
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 8, 2004 16:06:00 GMT -5
shaun went off about something else to someone else, too. he appears to be a little high strung. lol. john did come across really well. he's posting now on the board and is adorable. people didn't believe it was him, so he was trying to prove it. I'll probably never read the SR board again unless you draw attention to another thread. Here's a cool SR related thing: I was in Best Buy today picking up a copy of Deja Entendu, and I saw a Breaking Pangaea cd. (Will Noon and Fred Mascherino's old band). It has a huge sticker plastered across the front of it... something like this... former band of Fred Mascherino of TAKING BACK SUNDAY (in huge print, mind you) and Will Noon of STRAYLIGHT RUN (also in huge print.) So I guess they're trying to use the fame of the other two bands to move more of those old albums. Hah. I thought it was kinda funny. |
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Post by destroyed by naivety on Oct 8, 2004 16:45:01 GMT -5
LOL
that's great.
*mental note to go to best buy with buffy just so we can see it too*
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