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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 3, 2004 20:23:55 GMT -5
actually John is probably more vocally diverse as proven in slr really But i do't think the role he served in tbs was right fit for him Vocally diverse? As in how? I've listened to a few SLR or SR or whatever the abbreviation is today... and I don't hear much diversity. He sings. Michelle sings. His voice still cracks. He still can't sing on key... Writer he is... vocalist... he is not. At least in my opinion. (figured I'd better add this in here so I wouldn't get flamed as hard for not liking John's vocal stylings.) |
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Post by a failed dsign on Oct 3, 2004 23:06:32 GMT -5
well i don't think Fred can really truely sing and personally i think John while not briliant has a decent voice
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 3, 2004 23:15:37 GMT -5
well i don't think Fred can really truely sing and personally i think John while not briliant has a decent voice I'll be the first to admit that Fred is far from the best singer in the world, but his voice is cut out for what he does. John's, well... isn't. A voice shouldn't crack when you're trying to belt out lyrics. You don't hear Amy Lee's voice crack. Or Chester Bennington's.... Though, I can't say that some people don't like John's voice. I know of at least 3 people on this board that like it. To each his or her own, I guess. I myself prefer singing that's on key.  |
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Post by destroyed by naivety on Oct 4, 2004 0:19:27 GMT -5
john is a front man. that's where he belongs and where he really appears most comfortable. i've only seen a few live videos with john in tbs, but he looks 100,000 times more comfortable in the straylight run videos. while the demos are obviously not vocal perfection, they are still good. his voice does crack, yes, but i don't think it cracks as horribly as you say it does. he sings in tune and in key, his voice just fails to emotion at times because i don't think he has completely learned to control that. it's hard. i don't think its fair to compare him to chester or amy because the vocal styles are so different. both chester and amy have huge voices, so it isn't as much of a struggle to make their voice powerful. john doesn't naturally have that kind of voice, so when he tries to push it, it cracks because it isn't used to being pushed that way. from what i've heard of the non-demo stuff, john sounds amazing. his voice doesn't crack as often and it sounds like has a little more control of it. oh, and fred fits with tbs (look at me staying on topic mostly...) oh, and not that i don't love adam's voice, but how can you say that john can't sing in key and you don't like it, but you like adam? if anything i would think that you would say they sing poorly together. and jesse's voice cracks all the time. how are they different than john? |
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Post by SunriseHighway on Oct 4, 2004 5:03:50 GMT -5
john is a front man. that's where he belongs and where he really appears most comfortable. i've only seen a few live videos with john in tbs, but he looks 100,000 times more comfortable in the straylight run videos. while the demos are obviously not vocal perfection, they are still good. his voice does crack, yes, but i don't think it cracks as horribly as you say it does. he sings in tune and in key, his voice just fails to emotion at times because i don't think he has completely learned to control that. it's hard. i don't think its fair to compare him to chester or amy because the vocal styles are so different. both chester and amy have huge voices, so it isn't as much of a struggle to make their voice powerful. john doesn't naturally have that kind of voice, so when he tries to push it, it cracks because it isn't used to being pushed that way. from what i've heard of the non-demo stuff, john sounds amazing. his voice doesn't crack as often and it sounds like has a little more control of it. oh, and fred fits with tbs (look at me staying on topic mostly...) oh, and not that i don't love adam's voice, but how can you say that john can't sing in key and you don't like it, but you like adam? if anything i would think that you would say they sing poorly together. and jesse's voice cracks all the time. how are they different than john? *applauds* thats pretty much what i think too, tho i like Adams voice. |
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 4, 2004 8:02:30 GMT -5
john is a front man. that's where he belongs and where he really appears most comfortable. i've only seen a few live videos with john in tbs, but he looks 100,000 times more comfortable in the straylight run videos. while the demos are obviously not vocal perfection, they are still good. his voice does crack, yes, but i don't think it cracks as horribly as you say it does. he sings in tune and in key, his voice just fails to emotion at times because i don't think he has completely learned to control that. it's hard. i don't think its fair to compare him to chester or amy because the vocal styles are so different. both chester and amy have huge voices, so it isn't as much of a struggle to make their voice powerful. john doesn't naturally have that kind of voice, so when he tries to push it, it cracks because it isn't used to being pushed that way. from what i've heard of the non-demo stuff, john sounds amazing. his voice doesn't crack as often and it sounds like has a little more control of it. oh, and fred fits with tbs (look at me staying on topic mostly...) oh, and not that i don't love adam's voice, but how can you say that john can't sing in key and you don't like it, but you like adam? if anything i would think that you would say they sing poorly together. and jesse's voice cracks all the time. how are they different than john? I don't think John's a front man. In the videos I saw, he doesn't have the stage presence that one needs to be in the spotlight like that. Emotion? Yeah, he's got that... but that's only part of what it takes. Maybe as Straylight run grows, John will too... and then he'll fit into what I think a front man should be. I'm still willing to listen to SR's studio stuff... I don't know that I will like it from what I have already heard, but I will give it a chance. The demos are far from perfection, that's why they're demos. I still don't like his voice. Voice cracking can fit in with the mood of some songs (Jesse pulls it off all the time). Jesse's voice is completely different from John's. His is more soft and not as rough. I can compare Chester and Amy to John on the fact they are all singers. They all belt out their music with emotion. I believe that once John is more accustomed to the new role he has, his voice will get better. Practice makes permanent, does it not? Amy Lee hasn't always been as powerful a vocalist as she is now. No one is born with the power. Born with the talent? Yes. But it has to be fine tuned to perfection. She's the perfect example of that. I haven't heard any non-demo stuff, so I can't comment on that. Like I said before, maybe my opinion will change when I hear that. I don't really like Adam. I thought we all knew that much? As for Jesse, I like his voice. He has a soft and sweet voice as opposed to John's rough one. Jesse is one of those people that can make the cracking work, I guess. John's cracking doesn't impress me. The only example I can think of is Cute Without the E. That entire song his voice is  and he's hardly ever on key... Man, all I meant to say in the beginning of all these replies is that Fred makes TBS a better band. |
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Post by a failed dsign on Oct 4, 2004 15:22:25 GMT -5
I'm a male singer so i am going to put my coments on here. Girls often have a wider range, and John sings with a lot of emotion, thats hard to do with out slipping trust me. Jessy i agree pulls it off beter, but htats probably do to experience, he's been doing it far longer. He really didn't fit in his role in tbs (John) Fred i agree is better for that role, however John needs to master some vocal skills, and believe me thats hard to do, you don't want to sound bland (so many rock vocalists sound exactly the same) and yet you have to hold range and all that. I'm not great but i'm learning, i find it very difficult to sing some stuff but i like slr's stuff and find it and brand news stuff to be similar to my range. so ya
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 4, 2004 16:18:41 GMT -5
I'm a male singer so i am going to put my coments on here. Girls often have a wider range, and John sings with a lot of emotion, thats hard to do with out slipping trust me. Jessy i agree pulls it off beter, but htats probably do to experience, he's been doing it far longer. He really didn't fit in his role in tbs (John) Fred i agree is better for that role, however John needs to master some vocal skills, and believe me thats hard to do, you don't want to sound bland (so many rock vocalists sound exactly the same) and yet you have to hold range and all that. I'm not great but i'm learning, i find it very difficult to sing some stuff but i like slr's stuff and find it and brand news stuff to be similar to my range. so ya Practice makes permanent. I have no doubt in my mind that John can become a better singer the more he does it. Though, to say his voice gives out due to all the emotion he puts into his singing is pretty much a load. Chester Bennington can sing Breaking the Habit while bawling his eyes out and stay completely on key, never missing a note. Yeah, Chester's got more experience... but if emotion can throw a singer off the way you guys are saying, he shouldn't be able to sing Breaking the Habit the way he does... (which is the song he thinks Mike wrote for him) ...or any song he wrote about his past, for that matter. |
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Post by _oneeightseven on Oct 4, 2004 19:57:22 GMT -5
actually John is probably more vocally diverse as proven in slr really But i do't think the role he served in tbs was right fit for him That just reminded me of when I was listening to SLR in the car with my mom and she looked at me halfway through "The Perfect Ending" and said, "You know, I like his voice, I like the music, but I don't think his voice is well-suited for this type of song." And then I went on some tangent about Adam and John not being able to write songs with melodies in their ranges. Point being: John's voice is versatile, but not all powerful. He is much better off with SLR, though. I cannot stress that enough. </lame> |
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Post by SunriseHighway on Oct 5, 2004 3:57:13 GMT -5
Practice makes permanent. I have no doubt in my mind that John can become a better singer the more he does it. Though, to say his voice gives out due to all the emotion he puts into his singing is pretty much a load. Chester Bennington can sing Breaking the Habit while bawling his eyes out and stay completely on key, never missing a note. Yeah, Chester's got more experience... but if emotion can throw a singer off the way you guys are saying, he shouldn't be able to sing Breaking the Habit the way he does... (which is the song he thinks Mike wrote for him) ...or any song he wrote about his past, for that matter. ok so my point has little to do with the subject at hand but i just thought Agent J may like to know that thanks to him i've got back into Linkin Park, despite bein a self-confessed emo kid...  |
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Post by forgetyourseatbelt on Oct 5, 2004 4:09:24 GMT -5
ok so my point has little to do with the subject at hand but i just thought Agent J may like to know that thanks to him i've got back into Linkin Park, despite bein a self-confessed emo kid... J is a she, homie;-) |
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Post by SunriseHighway on Oct 5, 2004 4:23:11 GMT -5
holy crap! sorry!! oh wow i never noticed that!! wow!! ok well i apologise for my errors J!!! ;D  |
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Post by Headlights on a Hand Grenade on Oct 5, 2004 8:28:43 GMT -5
ok so my point has little to do with the subject at hand but i just thought Agent J may like to know that thanks to him i've got back into Linkin Park, despite bein a self-confessed emo kid... I'm a she, but it's all good. And hey, Linkin Park has some "emo" songs... if by emo you mean really emotional and not the genre of music. |
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Post by Fallen TBS Fan on Oct 5, 2004 13:58:52 GMT -5
i think that John has an ok voice..but Fred i dont really know his voice becuase hes trying to sound to much like John...or maybe thats just me?...but i like both there voices...but i do like John's lyrics better...but on Where You Want To Be the lyrics were writen by all of TBS and not just Adam and Fred like on Tell All Your Friends Adam and John wrote them..so ahhh i dunno
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Post by SunriseHighway on Oct 5, 2004 15:00:56 GMT -5
I'm a she, but it's all good. And hey, Linkin Park has some "emo" songs... if by emo you mean really emotional and not the genre of music. i dunno, when peeps say emo i think of stuff like TBS and Brand New, not straight away Linkin Park....i think minus Mike SHinoda they could pass as emo but.....hmmmm i'll think about whether i think they are or not....... |
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and he's hardly ever on key...
